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PostSubject: Adaptations   Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:48 pm

After reading reviews for the new Jem movie and hearing that Dora the Explorer and Monster High are next on the live action reboot line up I feel kinda like... Head desk I know that studios like live action as is is much cheaper than animation, but have any live action versions of cartoons ever been good? It seems like the only types around are the  "if movie A does well enough to make back the meager budget allotted to its production = success" and the "spare no expense and damn what the original fandom thinks, this is for new fans!". Worst part is both treat the source material like piss in the wind. Is there any chance that a live action reboot could be decent as a stand alone film? Why is that so hard?  shake bunny



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PostSubject: Re: Adaptations   Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:21 pm

Sadly, I bet part of the reason they keep making them is because they're so bad.

Like, so many people go "oh a live-action reboot? This is going to be terrible!" and then they go see it to see how bad it is. So they still make money. It's sad, really.
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PostSubject: Re: Adaptations   Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:28 pm

Well we need to remember one thing it's called an adaptation. They don't need to be spot with their source material. It's like book adaptations. If they turned every page from a book into a scene in the movie then you would be watching a very long movie. However there's a way to do it right. And there's a way to it wrong. Like Jem for example. They took could have taken premise from the 80s cartoon and make it fit into modern day. But nope we get the typical band movie.



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PostSubject: Re: Adaptations   Mon Oct 26, 2015 2:07 am

I think adaptations are not for everyone (any adaptation that is)
Fans of original works will always find something in an adaptation to which they wont agree with.
And yes there are terrible adaptations out there, but there are other which are so well made(production value) and even though they are totally unfaithful to the original source they are still considered masterpieces.
One example is the movie/theatre/musical/etc adaptations of "the phandom of the opera"
There is not a single faithful adaptation of that amazing book, and it is not just minor things but the fact that the MAIN protagonist Erik the phandom is 100% out of character and depicted totally wrongly, and his most important moment from the book is completely erased which makes the audience to never sympathize with him.
First and for most, Erik doesn't have a scarred cheek, his whole face is dysmorphic and looks like a skull, (only the very very first movie adaptation at the beginning of the previous century got his face right). In every adaptation Erik is some hank with a half face mask. And he is always depicted as pure evil from start to finish, even though in the book his last moment show that he is not really evil.  :(
The most recent Phantom film is considered a masterpiece, and in production value it might be, but in everything else is a total failure in my eyes.

If now we go back to anime and cartoons, there are amazing live action adaptations out there, but there are also very bad ones. But the same can go for manga/comic to animation adaptations. how many times people complain that so and so anime is not faithful to the manga?

my most hmm complete example is Sailor Moon, because you have a very wide range of media choices, manga, 2 anime, live action series, gazillion of musical stages.
Not everything is for everyone, one might like one media and not like the rest, and one might like them all. Are they 100% faithful to the original work? nope they are not. Does that affect too much the root of the story? in cases (90s anime) it does, in other cases (musicals) not so much. Do these changes make it better? in both above examples yes.

Should everyone accept all adaptations? Nope, everyone should simply like what they like, and avoid what they don't.


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PostSubject: Re: Adaptations   Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:02 am

Some adaptions are really well done, like the Harry Potter movies. And then there's stuff like Percy Jackson, which fortunately is not getting a third movie. As some of you have pointed out, some adaptions work well as stand alone movies, and in fact I have heard people point out online that the Percy Jackson movies work well as movies unto themselves. (Personally I just don't like them either way.)
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PostSubject: Re: Adaptations   Wed Oct 28, 2015 3:24 am

Still other forms of media have had good adaptations, comics, novels, and theater; even video games have a better track record than straight up animation. I'm really puzzled as to why this is. Asian studios can produce quality live action versions of animated properties. Granted not all of them are winners, but great ones do get made. Why can American studios fail so utterly at something that has been proven to work?



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PostSubject: Re: Adaptations   Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:28 am

maybe the problem is in Hollywood and how it functions?
I hardly like anything made in Hollywood anyway because it doesn't appeal to me in general, so I don't really understand it as a whole. But probably those of you who do know it batter can figure it out?


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